jane replied: "I am not sure why you are trying to follow fad diet programs. Casein is found in dairy products; therefore remove these products from your diet. You can get more complete proteins from meat and meat alternatives. If you are worried about the calcium, take a supplement. There are also many rice and/or soy based substitutes for milk and cheese."
Sport Supplements replied: "While I don't endorse the Atkins diet method, a low-carb/med. healthy fat/high protein diet is generally the best approach for fat loss.
Alternative protein sources to milk products are: lean pork, lean red meat, whole eggs, egg whites, chicken, white fish, and turkey (I especially like the 98% fat free ground turkey with soy sauce, garlic, and broccoli when dieting).
--Josh"
Very high protein, low fat diet? I just want to know if this works. I am eating a hell of a lot of protein. I drink casein protein shakes morning, lunch and before i got bed. I am eating twice a day at the most, usually a high carb and protein meal. I am weightlifting consistently and I am doing cardio as well. Will I lose a lot of fat while keeping muscle? I want to lose it quick, and I am working out very hard.
jf1894 replied: "Yes, on this routine you will lose fat and gain muscle. Carbs fuel your muscles and protein builds them"
I'm allergic to casein (milk protein). Are there any other protein alternatives? I'm on a workout/nutritional regimen in which i'm taking protein shakes throughout the day in addition to low-fat meals. I need a slow digesting protein to take before bed other than casein.
The protein blend I bought (syntha-6) makes me sick because it has casein in it. Seeing that I now realize that I'm NOT lactose intolerant BUT allergic to casein, I need another alternative protein to include into my daily diet plan.
Any alternatives out there?
ageless in my 'genes' replied: "Lots of vegetables have protein, as does high grade meats.
get off all the chemical foods and start eating real food. your body is wired for fresh fruits and vegetables. not powdered factory made food your body cannot readily absorb."
musicthal831 replied: "Try rice milk (Rice Dream) or sometimes soy milk."
Kevin replied: "I don't know about any protein shakes, but eat alot of meat, nuts, fish, etc."
Low Carb for bodybuilding? Gday all. Ive been a low carb diet (less than 100g per day) and high protein for the last 3 weeks. I do the low carbs for 6 out of the 7 days and have a cheat day once a week. My goal is to get shredded. I started at 90kgs and Im now 84kgs with more definition. I have whey and casein protein, glutamine, multivitmains and caffeine as well as flaxseed oil. Ive seen to hit a wall. i cant get lower than 84kgs. i wanna get to 76-77 kgs and keep the muscles. Any diet suggestions? I do morning cardio on an empty stomach as well. please help as im dedicated. thanks
Sounds good. Someone suggested i might be gain muscle as well as losing weight. I cant tell cause in Oz we only have skin folds and not uerwater fat testing. Ive heard that as well with the blow your muscle up thing. Im really getting into bodybuilding finally and i like the results and discipline. Thanks brotha
Cameron L replied: "ok first of all ditch the low carb completely. what you want to do is control when you eat your carbs for max performance. its better to eat carbs before your workout or workouts and perhaps after then to not. running on empty will make u perform poorly. jsut dont overdo the carbs and manipulate when you eat them. the rest of the day is lean meat and lots of veg. your (cheat day) is a good idea as this will pump your muscles up with a high carb intake (sounds funny i know) just be sure not to go nuts. as you gain muscle and lose weight you wont lose much. just judge how ripped you think you are. but depending on your size that weight is fairly decent. try to mix up your workouts to. this might be hard if your like me. i hate changing my workout when you have seen results. but your body actually learns what your doing and when your doing it and adapts. thus youll stop gaining muscle and perhaps lose less weight. mix it up."
Lizbeth replied: "Bodybuilders eat a high protein.low carb diet.. So you will be fine..."
Can you name some reasons to go vegetarian? ONE HUNDRED & ONE REASONS
TO GO VEGETARIAN
People Land Air Water Efficiency Animals Health
PEOPLE
Every year in the UK we feed our livestock enough food to feed 250,000,000 people while in the world 30,000,000 people die of starvation
20 vegetarians can live off the land required by one meat eater
Every 3 seconds a child dies of starvation somewhere in the world
If Americans reduced their meat consumption by 10% it would free 12,000,000 tons of grain - enough to feed 60,000,000 people (the population of Great Britain)
If all Americans became vegetarian, it would free enough grain to feed 600,000,000 people (the population of India)
Intensification in animal farming has displaced 1,000,000's of people from their traditional lands - eg. indigenous people in south & central america, native americans in north america & crofters in Great Britain - this is continuing today
People displaced from their lands into cities succumb to dietary deficiency, diseases, parasites & opportunistic diseases
In third world countries 1 in 10 babies die before their first birthday
The UK imports ВЈ46,000,000 worth of grain from third world countries to feed our livestock
Due to overgrazing 850,000,000 people live on land threatened by desertification & over 230,000,000 already live on land so severely desertified that they are unable to sustain their existence & face imminent starvation
1,000,000,000 people in the west gorging on meat & dairy leave 1,000,000,000 to waste away & 3,500,000,000 teeter on the brink
LAND
If they continue to clear American forests to raise cattle at the present rate, in 50 years there will be none left
1 acre yields 165 lbs of beef or 20,000 lbs of potatoes
8/10 of cultivated land in the UK is used to grow food for animals (14,732,000 hectares)
It takes 16lbs of high protein soya to produce 1 lb of beef
Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows, 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming
Pressure on land due to meat farming leads to soil erosion 6billion tons/year in the USA
If everyone went vegetarian upto 90% of land used for animal farming could be taken out of production & used to replant woodlands, leisure activities etc.
25% of Central america's forests have been destroyed for cattle grazing since 1960
Between 1966-1983 38% of the Amazon rain forest was destroyed for cattle grazing
90% of cattle ranches established on cleared forest land go bankrupt in less than 8 years as the land becomes barren due to nutrient loss & overgrazing
Overgrazing by cattle is destroying the land & increasing desertification, nearly 430 million acres in the USA alone has suffered a 25-50% reduction in yield since first grazed
An inch of topsoil takes 200-1000 years to develop - yet in the USA they have lost around 1/3 of their prime topsoil in 200 years (around 7 inches) due to animal farming
Land will be lost due to rises in sea level due to global warming due to animal farming
AIR
The destruction of the rainforest by cattle farmers is destroying the lungs of the planet & reducing the worlds capacity to replenish our oxygen supply
The 1,300,000,000 cattle in the world emit 60,000,000 tons of methane per year (methane is a greenhouse gas & leads to global warming)
Burning of forests, grasslands & agricultural waste associated with animal farming releases 50-100,000,000 tons of methane per year
Combining these figures, 25% of methane emissions are due to animal farming (not including the billions of sheep, pigs & poultry so the real figure is much higher)
Fertilizer used to grow crops to feed to animals releases nitrous oxide - thought to account for 6% of the greenhouse effect
Fertilizer, weedkiller & pesticides sprayed on crops enter the atmosphere creating a noxious carcinogenic cocktail
CFCs are released into the air from refrigeration units used to store decomposing flesh (meat), milk & butter - CFCs are destroy the ozone layer
Ammonia from animal urine also pollutes the atmosphere
CO2 is released by burning oil & petrol in lorries, ships, abattoirs, dairies, factories etc. associated with meat & dairy production
Emissions from large chemical plants which produce fertilizer, weedkiller & other agricultural chemicals are also poisoning our air
WATER
25 gallons of water to produce 1lb of wheat & 2500 gallons to produce 1lb of meat
UK farm animals produce 200,000,000 tonnes of slurry (liquid excrement) every year, the majority of which ends up in our rivers
Bloody waste water from abattoirs ends up in our rivers
In the USA every second humans produce 12,000 lbs of effluent while farmed animals produce 250,000 lbs
Nitrates & pesticides used on crops grown to feed livestock end up in our rivers
Meat & dairy farming uses 70 litres of water per day per animal in the UK or 159,250,000,000 litres per year in total
The water used to produce 10 lbs of steak is equivalent to the average consumption of water for an entire household for an entire year
Depletion of groundwater reserves to grow crops for animals & to supply abattoirs will lead to greater water shortages
Aquafers (stores of underground water) in the San Joaquin valley in the USA are being drained at the rate of 500,000,000,000 gallons/year to produce meat
18% of all agricultural land in the world is irrigated & as global warming increases (partly due to animal farming) it will cost $200,000,000 to keep these systems going
The water used to produce a 1000 lb beef steer is enough to float a Destroyer battleship
The liquid waste from the various parts of the meat & dairy industry flow into the rivers & from there into the seas polluting them & encouraging huge algal blooms to grow
EFFICIENCY
To produce 1calorie of energy from meat takes 60 calories of petrol, whereas growing grains & legumes to directly feed people produces 20 calories for each calorie of fuel used ( thats 1200 times more efficient)
Meat & dairy farming uses billions of gallons of oil to run tractors, fuel ships & lorries (to move animal feed & animals), pump billions of gallons of water to irrigate fields & run slaughterhouses, power refrigeration units to prevent the corpses from decomposing & to power sewage plants to clean up some of the pollution produced
Cattle convert only 6% of their energy intake (mainly grains & soya) into flesh, the remaining 94% is wasted as heat, movement (which is why they keep many animals in very close confinement), hair, bones, faeces etc
1lb of beef takes 1 gallon of petrol to produce
A family of four eating beef for a year uses enough petrol to run a car for 6 months (obviously depending on how far you drive!)
If the full ecological cost of meat was passed onto the consumer - the price would be quadrupled (at least)
The EC spends Е“100,000,000's to subsidise animal production resulting in lakes of unwanted milk & mountains of unwanted meat & butter. This money could be better spent encouraging organic fruit, vegetable & grain production
In the USA in 1979 145,000,000 tons of crops were fed to cattle resulting in only 21million tons of animal bodies - the cost of the wasted crops was $20,000,000,000
Between 1950 & 1985 grain production in Europe & the USA increased massively but 2/3 was fed to animals
70% of all grain is fed to animals
Eating vast quantities of animal flesh, eggs, milk & butter is a luxury that most of the planet can not afford
ANIMALS
Fishing with drift (and other modern) nets weakens & destroys ecosystems by indiscriminately killing billions of sea creatures & disrupting the sea bed
Fishermen's nets kill 10 times as many other animals as the fish they are hoping to catch
Fish caught in nets die an agonising slow death of suffocation
Each year 15,000,000,000 land animals are slaughtered for food & an unknown but much larger number of sea creatures (including 1000's of dolphins caught accidentally)
Chickens are crammed into battery cages with upto 3 other birds, they are unable to even spread their wings & many can not even stand up
Unwanted male chicks (because they can't lay eggs) are gassed or pulped while their sisters go to the battery sheds
Chicks are debeaked without anaesthetic to prevent them injuring each other in the unnaturally confined conditions they are kept in - this is equivalent to having your fingernails pulled out without anaesthetic
Modern farming methods using growth hormones & artificial lighting mean that many chickens out grow their bones, resulting in fractured & broken legs
Sows are kept tethered in stalls 1.3 x 1 metre on concrete or slatted floors - they can not even turn around
Poultry raised for meat are kept in windowless broiler sheds, with around 20-30,000 in each shed, they live in an area of 10-20 cm square - fighting due to overcrowding is common & like battery hens they commonly suffer from supperating bed sores
Broilersheds are artificially lit 23 hours a day to produce rapid growth
Animals travel between farms & to slaughter in overcrowded transporters with no food or water - resulting in stress, injuries & deaths - legal requirements are widely ignored
95% of poultry suffer injuries before being killed & 30% suffer broken bones
Problems with stunning practices mean that many animals have their throats slit while still conscious (around 6% of cattle or 200,000 per year) & are then dipped in tanks of scalding water (to loosen feathers, bristles etc.) again while fully conscious
4000 animals die spurting their blood out every minute in a British slaughterhouse
Calf leather comes from animals killed at just 2 weeks old
Cows were fed on the ground up remains of other cows & sheep - the result is thought to be BSE (mad cow disease) in the USA cattle are fed partly on recycled plastic pellets
Cows only give milk for 10 months after they have a calf - so they are routinely artificially inseminated (ie. mechanically raped) to keep them pregnant & milking - their calves are taken away (usually at 12 hours old) for meat or export to veal crates
Cows would naturally live upto 20 years but are slaughtered after 5-7 years when their milk production begins to fall
In the UK animals are killed by first being stunned with electricity or a captive bolt gun (ie. a bolt is fired into their heads) before having their throats slit & being plunged into boiling water - all this happens on a production line with the animals being hung upside down from a moving conveyor belt - this is factory farming
"Animals are those unfortunate slaves & victims of the most brutal part of mankind" - John Stewart Mill (philosopher)
Veal calves are confined in stalls in the dark, unable to move & are fed on pigs blood , chocolate & dried milk (we are drinking the rich fresh milk of their mothers)
Cows naturally produce 5 litres of milk per day for their calves - under the intensified systems of modern farming they produce 25-40 litres per day - resulting in swollen & inflamed udders - at this rate they are soon worn out
Large areas of land are under monoculture to grow crops to feed to animals - these areas are wildlife deserts supporting fewer & fewer species.
HEALTH
Vegetarians have a 20% lower rate of mortality from all causes (ie. they live longer & don't get sick as often)
Meat is full of traces of antibiotics, hormones, toxins produced by stress & pesticide residues that become concentrated from all the crops they have eaten
Fish contain heavy metals & other pollutants -many of which originated on farms
The world health organisation recommends a diet low in saturated fat, sugar, salt & with plenty of fibre - exactly what you get on a vegan/vegetarian diet
Farmed animals contain upto 50% saturated fat in their bodies
Vegetarians have 24% reduced risk of getting heart disease & Vegans a 57% reduction (heart disease is the biggest killer in the UK accounting for 50% of deaths)
Obesity is rare in vegetarians, obesity is related to many diseases
Vegans & vegetarians have lower blood pressure & cholesterol levels - high levels are associated with heart disease, strokes & kidney failure
Vegetarians have a 50% reduced risk of dying of diabetes
Vegetarians have a 40% reduced level of cancer than the general population thought to be because they have a higher intake of vitamins A,C & E
Vegetarians have a reduced risk of developing gall & kidney stones
80% of food poisoning is due to infected meat (faeces, bacteria etc.) after all meat is decomposing flesh - most of the rest is due to salmonella in eggs
Osteoporosis due to calcium loss from bones is mainly due to the sulphur content in meat & casein protein in milk that cause calcium to be lost in the urine - the countries with the highest meat & dairy consumption are those with the highest levels of brittle bones
50% of people do not have the enzyme to digest milk properly & milk allergy is related to asthma & eczema
Meat eaters have double the rate of Alzheimers disease as Vegans & Vegetarians - some people also think that Parkinsons disease is also linked to meat eating
Egg yolk is a dense concentration of saturated fat & the white is high in albumin protein associated with leaching calcium into your urine. Butter is 80% saturated fat, cream is 40% saturated fat & cheese is 25-40% saturated fat
Meat eaters are two and a half times more likely to get bowel cancer than Vegetarians
The cling film used to wrap meat in supermarkets & butchers contains chemicals linked to falling sperm counts in men
Chinese people (living mainly on a vegetarian diet) consume 20% more calories than Americans but Americans are 20% fatter
Of 2,100,000 deaths in the USA in 1987, 1,500,000 were related to diet (ie. meat & dairy)
AND I COULD GO ON !
If you've read this far, I hope that you are beginning to see that the Meat & Dairy industry is a major contributor to misery on this planet. It is destroying the health of people in rich countries, starving those in poor countries, it is torturing & killing billions of animals every year and in the meantime it is one of the major factors in the destruction of the environment - so what does the meat & dairy industry have to say in it's defence?
Well their only real point is usually "Meat is tasty" - fair enough a lot of people enjoy the taste of meat - but there are plenty of delicious alternatives (just consider the huge range of vegetarian dishes in Indian cooking - one of the oldest & most sophisticated cuisines in the world) and if you really crave meat & dairy, nowadays there are plenty of healthy non animal alternatives - just look in the supermarket & health food shop. So I hope you will agree it's pretty pathetic to consider all the evidence & then say "well I know you're right about the environment & health & the animals - but I just love my meat"
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BlueSea replied: "Wow, don't you think you covered them all????
I am not a veggies but I certainly can see the benefits of eating that way as to health. With that said I certainly have cut way back on my meat consumption. But I love chicken and fish and don't buy in to all the other arguments.
To each his own. I'll respect your reasons and hope you respect mine."
Michael H replied: "i don't want to be resonsible for the death of animals for food.
Is that in the list ?
its the only reason i need, all the rest are a bonus
good list, ta for that"
petty replied: "You know if this was 5 different post or so, I might have read this. Yahoo Answers isn't the best place to post something that huge. Break it down more to several different post. Its too ahrd to read all that here. Sounds like alot of good information though."
KitKat replied: "What's the question exactly? You copy and pasted a link I just posted a little while ago."
sunshineonmyshoulder replied: "I have a pet parrot - now, I am against having a bird confined in a cage - the only reason I got her is because she is a rescued bird. She came from an abused home. I spoil her, sing songs to her, and buy her toys and dance with her...
My parrot likes to be kissed on the beak and when I kiss her beak it is warm. One time I had the tip of her beak filed just a little bit cuz it was very sharp and the bird store said to have it done so when she bites she doesn't draw blood. Well, after just a tiny bit of the tip was filed down it started bleeding. Birds have blood and nerve ending in their beaks... Birds use their beaks like a hand - they pick up their food with it. They use their beak to clean their feathers. They use their beaks to clean their friends feathers. They are very loving animals and many birds mate for life. I no longer get her beak filed - she has wood blocks to chew on now.
I was concerned about my weight and my health - and that's when I read Skinny Bi tch. In the book I read about how the chickens have their beaks seared off with a hot blade. And it just broke my heart - to think that someone would do that to my Jypsi... If it isn't right for it to be done to Jypsi then it can't be right to happen to any bird. Even chickens.
I also realised that I never look at my dog and my bird as tonights dinner - so why should I look at any other animal that way?
I'm a vegan and that way for life now. It sickens me to think of eating animals or anything made from animals. Or even buying leather or any thing like it. I never feel tempted to eat meat - If anything I feel really sorry for all the animals that had to suffer and die for my food. If people only knew the truth that you so clearly stated above - everyone would be vegan."
Just Me replied: "thanks dee. eating meat shows no respect or compassion for animals, other humans, and the environment(as you just proved). hopefully people can wake up a bit"
nice guy replied: "Only for optimal health. I know I am in the minority, but my becoming vegetarian had nothing to do with ethics, although knowing that I am no longer contributing to the slaughter of animals is certainly somthing I believe is a positive."
Ricardo P replied: "I've already read all of those reasons somewhere else, but I really only need one reason. What Michael H said. The way I see it, if it's unnecessary to murder animals for our survival and well being, then it is also unjustifiable.
Like George Bernard Shaw said: "Animals are my friends, and I don't eat my friends", and Isaac Bashevis Singer, when asked if he had become a vegetarian for health reasons, replied: "I did it for the health of the chickens."
Knowing that I'm not contributing to support the industries that damage our planet the most and all other reasons just make me feel all the better."
rooikat replied: "Impressive stats.. took ages to read. The point that you missed was the psyche of a Vegetarian. Lets not get soppy or sentimental about it . We choose to become vegetarians for various reasons. Mine was empathy, pure and simple. No health crud or anything in that vein made me turn. This is the way I am. The truth be known at my age I am extremely fit and healthy, my weight has been below average for my height since I was a kid of 19. I have been a vegetarian for 45 years and do not take pills or supplements for deficiencies. Favorite foods pasta, rice, potatoes and any type of fruit."
Lillyian replied: "I really love this list from Vegan Wolf... it has so many wonderful reasons.
For me, my decision was simply that I did not want to eat animals. I think that being able to torture and kill for pleasure shows good reasons to fear for our society, and I personally could no longer be a part of that system.
I have also become very happy the more I have learned about how much better for the environment my lifestyle is.
I heard people say before that there is no such thing as a meat-eating environmentalist, but I dismissed it.
The difference in environmental impact between flesh-eating and non-flesh-eating diets is astounding. I have always recycled, but it is nice to know that I do even more to lower my garbage and carbon footprints.
But as I said, knowing I was hurting and killing beings who could think and feel was the main reason I became vegetarian.
:)
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Anyway, here is the top 10 list from the link I gave above in case anyone is interested.
# 1) Animal products are unnecessary.
# 2) What you eat is a learned habit.
# 3) Much healthier to avoid meat and dairy products.
# 4) Much more environmentally friendly to eat a vegan diet.
# 5) Feed more people on a plant diet than animal based one.
# 6) Using animals is incredibly cruel. Why force any pain?
# 7) Religion/ spiritual reasons "Thou shalt not kill."
# 8) Saves money....
# 9) Reduces National debt.
# 10) Vegan food tastes great!
The above site has many more tidbits and quotes relating to each of the reasons."
neil k replied: "LOVE ;
there is a MATE SYSTEM and if you are MURDERING or RAPING other individual's mates THEN theoretically that will in some way RUB off back to you..."
B.F.Skinner Has Eaten My Dinner replied: "(SUMMARY)
Your arguments are weak and full of holes. You cannot achieve "full vegetarianism" without force which you do not advocate. You pretend to be for the humane treatment of animals but your only solution is your religious advocacy of not eating meat rather than supporting those who do not treat animals poorly.
You lump meat eaters and lacto-oval vegetarians together when it suits your weak arguments, then you argue against eggs, milk and butter when you want to make another point.
You fail to appreciate complex political and economic problems such as food as a weapon and other issues, instead asking us to engage in a religious vegetarian diet to "fix everything".
You identify problems with land management, ocean protection and other areas but suggest that we can just engage in the magic bullet of not eating meat to "solve everything" - definitely religious thinking.
In short your arguments are stupid and weak, poorly thought out and badly argued.
Your screed shows the weakness of your propaganda thusly:
"PEOPLE"
You mention starvation, "30,000,000 dies of starvation"
You mention land displacement,
But this argumentation is terribly weak. Much starvation is caused by political instability, food as a weapon in warfare, poor distribution infrastructures and ethnic conflict. In Africa food was used as a weapon, as well as being re-sold to finance weapons in one conflict, causing a great deal of starvation. It's not that the food wasn't there - it just couldn't get to the people it was meant to feed. Being a vegetarian would have meant JACK SHIT to stopping starvation. Perhaps we should send them guns instead?
As for land displacement, this too is mostly a political and economic problem. Those who are weak have their land taken from them. If it's not for a cattle farming its for a "vegetarian" cash crop like cotton, cocoa or other "vegetarian friendly" products. The problem is that the weak are run over by the strong. Vegetarianism would only shift the nature of the exploitation, not stop it.
You slop in five or six other arguments under this heading, but they have similar rational/logical problems.
LAND
Soil erosion, desertification and poor land management? Blame your democracy for that. If your voters aren't electing people to protect your land then you are screwed. They might as well be creating massive soy production facilities as anything. Untrammeled economic force is the problem, not meat eating.
"If everyone went vegetarian up to 90% of land used for animal farming could be taken out of production & used to replant woodlands, leisure activities etc."
The only way you'd get this is by force. Are you suggesting the use of force to make people vegetarian? Not explicitly, but I am suspicious if that wouldn't be the case. If you are not advocating force then there is no way "everyone would go vegetarian" so this is a pipe dream. Vegetariansm is a luxury of the first world. In the rest of the world the only vegetarians are religious or are so poor they can't afford the meat they'd like to have.
"25% of Central america's forests have been destroyed for cattle grazing since 1960"
Central American politics are massively manipulated by the huge drug trade, corruption, and "low intensity conflict" done in the name of anti-communism and other suspect causes.
Are you saying that we should dictate to multiple central American nations how they should manage their land? What incentives are to be made? Or is this again another hidden appeal to force? Shall we force them to not destroy their lands? If we become vegetarian and they don't stop raising cattle ... what then?
In the US you have the same corrupt effect of democracy: if the citizens let business run-amok then what? Are we to overturn democracy? Establish a vegetarian dictatorship?
"AIR"
Yes, cattle farming causes problems but you fail to mention how much of the problem they represent. Is it significant? I would suggest that it pales in comparison to automobile, gasoline engine exhaust, and coal power plants. You are attacking a minor problem, while ignoring major course of air pollution. Thus, vegetarianism as a "solution" to air problems is irrelevant.
WATER
Again this is a land management issue. I'll ask you this: if it could be done efficiently - so that the effluent went into compost or was contained appropriately, would you be for it? Moreover, you fail to indicate what land measures you would take. Simply attacking meat eating doesn't ensure that other offenses against water don't take place. And again to significance you don't mention whether there aren't more problematic sources of water pollution: such as heavy metals from industrial production.
EFFICIENCY
You complain about inefficiency, but then note that animals are treated inhumanely to prevent movement:
"movement (which is why they keep many animals in very close confinement), hair, bones, faeces etc"
It sounds like animal farmers are listening to you. Don't you want humane inefficient treatment?
"1lb of beef takes 1 gallon of petrol to produce
A family of four eating beef for a year uses enough petrol to run a car for 6 months (obviously depending on how far you drive!)"
Cattle consumption pre-dates our gas driven industry. The Cattle is mentioned in the Irish Cattle Raid of Cooley, and the Americans moved steers across the country without gas. The link to gas is a modern aspect and is not intrinsic to meat eating. What if everyone simply ate chickens grown in their own back yards? Would you be ok with that?
"If the full ecological cost of meat was passed onto the consumer - the price would be quadrupled (at least)
The EC spends Е“100,000,000's to subsidise animal production resulting in lakes of unwanted milk & mountains of unwanted meat & butter. This money could be better spent encouraging organic fruit, vegetable & grain production"
You are talking about corrupt democratic politics. There is plenty of corruption in non-meat subsidies here in the US as well. You object only to one kind of corruption, but not if they are "veggie corrupt"? How do you stop such powerful economic forces from continuing to do what they want?
"In the USA in 1979 145,000,000 tons of crops were fed to cattle resulting in only 21million tons of animal bodies - the cost of the wasted crops was $20,000,000,000"
Your veggie crops use petrol/gas just like meat crops, if even at a lower rate. They also use water, pesticides and so on. Moreover, once produced there is no guarantee it won't be used as an additive to gasoline (ethanol for example).
"Between 1950 & 1985 grain production in Europe & the USA increased massively but 2/3 was fed to animals
70% of all grain is fed to animals
Eating vast quantities of animal flesh, eggs, milk & butter is a luxury that most of the planet can not afford"
So the problem is really economic oppression, lack of economic development and political and military disparity. The rest of the world wants the luxury of eating large quantities of 'animal flesh, eggs, milk and butter' (even many vegetarians are quite ok with a diet of eggs, milk and butter - are you now saying vegetarians are the enemy too?).
"ANIMALS
Fishing with drift (and other modern) nets weakens & destroys ecosystems by indiscriminately killing billions of sea creatures & disrupting the sea bed
Fishermen's nets kill 10 times as many other animals as the fish they are hoping to catch
Fish caught in nets die an agonising slow death of suffocation"
So if a humane way to kill the fish was found - perhaps stunning them with electricity or a fast acting poison - you'd be ok with that?
"Each year 15,000,000,000 land animals are slaughtered for food & an unknown but much larger number of sea creatures (including 1000's of dolphins caught accidentally)
Chickens are crammed into battery cages with upto 3 other birds, they are unable to even spread their wings & many can not even stand up"
So you are ok with all of teh free-range, cage free, dolphin safe and other human methods of animal farming?
"Unwanted male chicks (because they can't lay eggs) are gassed or pulped while their sisters go to the battery sheds"
You would prefer that they be killed humanely, or 'gassing' is not humane? You would prefer that they be aborted before they are born? If they were cloned from a single female would you be ok with that?
"Chicks are debeaked without anaesthetic to prevent them injuring each other in the unnaturally confined conditions they are kept in - this is equivalent to having your fingernails pulled out without anaesthetic"
So you want them to get anesthesia then?
"Modern farming methods using growth hormones & artificial lighting mean that many chickens out grow their bones, resulting in fractured & broken legs"
Some do, some don't. Are you supporting those who don't?
"Sows are kept tethered in stalls 1.3 x 1 metre on concrete or slatted floors - they can not even turn around
Poultry raised for meat are kept in windowless broiler sheds, with around 20-30,000 in each shed, they live in an area of 10-20 cm square - fighting due to overcrowding is common & like battery hens they commonly suffer from supperating bed sores
Broilersheds are artificially lit 23 hours a day to produce rapid growth
Animals travel between farms & to slaughter in overcrowded transporters with no food or water - resulting in stress, injuries & deaths - legal requirements are widely ignored
95% of poultry suffer injuries before being killed & 30% suffer broken bones
Problems with stunning practices mean that many animals have their throats slit while still conscious (around 6% of cattle or 200,000 per year) & are then dipped in tanks of scalding water (to loosen feathers, bristles etc.) again while fully conscious
4000 animals die spurting their blood out every minute in a British slaughterhouse
Calf leather comes from animals killed at just 2 weeks old
Cows were fed on the ground up remains of other cows & sheep - the result is thought to be BSE (mad cow disease) in the USA cattle are fed partly on recycled plastic pellets
Cows only give milk for 10 months after they have a calf - so they are routinely artificially inseminated (ie. mechanically raped) to keep them pregnant & milking - their calves are taken away (usually at 12 hours old) for meat or export to veal crates
Cows would naturally live upto 20 years but are slaughtered after 5-7 years when their milk production begins to fall
In the UK animals are killed by first being stunned with electricity or a captive bolt gun (ie. a bolt is fired into their heads) before having their throats slit & being plunged into boiling water - all this happens on a production line with the animals being hung upside down from a moving conveyor belt - this is factory farming"
So then you support non-factory farmed animals? They are out there. Do you support them? If so, why don't you mention it? If you are really out to support humane animal treatment it behooves you to identify and call for the support of human, non-factory farmed livestocks.
Instead you offer an irrational poorly thought out argument that invites us to engage in your religion of vegetarianism. It is a religion, a religious practice, not a rational policy.
"Animals are those unfortunate slaves & victims of the most brutal part of mankind" - John Stewart Mill (philosopher)"
Perhaps we should look at what makes humans (and animals) brutal?
"HEALTH
Vegetarians have a 20% lower rate of mortality from all causes (ie. they live longer & don't get sick as often)"
This is a nonsense statistic. Cite your source. Vegetarians may be people who take care of themselves for other reasons, don't smoke, exercise more and so on. In other words, compare "healthy meat eaters" who don't smoke, exercise, and so on to " healthy vegetarians" and you might have something. Vegetarians, in the US at least, represent a minority. The majority of the very unwell are going to be lumped in the non-vegetarian numbers. Look at mortality rates of nations which are vegetarian - assuming you can find any - and even then its problematic to pull out causality.
"Meat is full of traces of antibiotics, hormones, toxins produced by stress & pesticide residues that become concentrated from all the crops they have eaten
Fish contain heavy metals & other pollutants -many of which originated on farms"
Pesticides and pollutants can and do end up in the good chain of vegetarians. So you are against pollution then, rather than boycotting meat products? Not eating meat doesn't help anyone not become ill from eating bad fish or meat, it just saves you.
"The world health organisation recommends a diet low in saturated fat, sugar, salt & with plenty of fibre - exactly what you get on a vegan/vegetarian diet"
Not necessarily. You can be a "twinkie vegetarian". There is nothing intrinsically healthy about not eating meat. It is hard to get a lot of cholesterol but that's about it, and eggs and whole milk/cream might do that for ya too.
"Farmed animals contain upto 50% saturated fat in their bodies
Vegetarians have 24% reduced risk of getting heart disease & Vegans a 57% reduction (heart disease is the biggest killer in the UK accounting for 50% of deaths)
Obesity is rare in vegetarians, obesity is related to many diseases"
But this is unknown as to why. Many non-vegetarians are also not obese so you cannot claim 100% causality. The correlation may be due to other factors (as mentioned above they are "health nuts"). Many top athletes are meat eaters and they have spectacular health.
"Vegans & vegetarians have lower blood pressure & cholesterol levels - high levels are associated with heart disease, strokes & kidney failure
Vegetarians have a 50% reduced risk of dying of diabetes
Vegetarians have a 40% reduced level of cancer than the general population thought to be because they have a higher intake of vitamins A,C & E
Vegetarians have a reduced risk of developing gall & kidney stones
80% of food poisoning is due to infected meat (faeces, bacteria etc.) after all meat is decomposing flesh - most of the rest is due to salmonella in eggs"
We recently had a spate of food poisonings in vegetables. You can get salmonella poisoning on a vegetarian diet.
"Osteoporosis due to calcium loss from bones is mainly due to the sulphur content in meat & casein protein in milk that cause calcium to be lost in the urine - the countries with the highest meat & dairy consumption are those with the highest levels of brittle bones"
No strong correlation can be made here. Bone density is a function of exercise, and it may be simply that the meat eating nations produce weaker people.
"50% of people do not have the enzyme to digest milk properly & milk allergy is related to asthma & eczema
Meat eaters have double the rate of Alzheimers disease as Vegans & Vegetarians - some people also think that Parkinsons disease is also linked to meat eating"
Weak correlation arguments, with no citation of courses. You again have the problem of numbers and multiple factors - meat eaters may be simply less "health conscious" and may do any number of things that cause them problems. Compare health conscious meat eaters to vegetarians and these numbers may look very similar.
"Egg yolk is a dense concentration of saturated fat & the white is high in albumin protein associated with leaching calcium into your urine. Butter is 80% saturated fat, cream is 40% saturated fat & cheese is 25-40% saturated fat"
Vegetarians eat all of this!
"Meat eaters are two and a half times more likely to get bowel cancer than Vegetarians"
But why? Are these "vegans"? Or are they sucking down milk, butter, eggs and cheese?
"The cling film used to wrap meat in supermarkets & butchers contains chemicals linked to falling sperm counts in men
Chinese people (living mainly on a vegetarian diet) consume 20% more calories than Americans but Americans are 20% fatter"
Mainly vegetarians! The Chinese are huge eaters of pork, eggs and chicken. If they are vegetarians its because they can't afford meat, or are religious (some buddhists for example, but not all). You can't cite "mostly vegetarian" populations to prove anything! They are also notorious cigarette smokers.
"Of 2,100,000 deaths in the USA in 1987, 1,500,000 were related to diet (ie. meat & dairy)"
Which is to say that they had a lack of exercise.
"AND I COULD GO ON !
If you've read this far, I hope that you are beginning to see that the Meat & Dairy industry is a major contributor to misery on this planet. It is destroying the health of people in rich countries, starving those in poor countries, it is torturing & killing billions of animals every year and in the meantime it is one of the major factors in the destruction of the environment - so what does the meat & dairy industry have to say in it's defence?
Well their only real point is usually "Meat is tasty" - fair enough a lot of people enjoy the taste of meat - but there are plenty of delicious alternatives (just consider the huge range of vegetarian dishes in Indian cooking - one of the oldest & most sophisticated cuisines in the world) and if you really crave meat & dairy, nowadays there are plenty of healthy non animal alternatives - just look in the supermarket & health food shop. So I hope you will agree it's pretty pathetic to consider all the evidence & then say "well I know you're right about the environment & health & the animals - but I just love my meat"
Your arguments are weak and full of holes. You cannot achieve "full vegetarianism" without force which you do not advocate. You pretend to be for the humane treatment of animals but your only solution is your religious advocacy of not eating meat rather than supporting those who do not treat animals poorly.
You lump meat eaters and lacto-oval vegetarians together when it suits your weak arguments, then you argue against eggs, milk and butter when you want to make another point.
You fail to appreciate complex political and economic problems such as food as a weapon and other issues, instead asking us to engage in a religious vegetarian diet to "fix everything".
You identify problems with land management, ocean protection and other areas but suggest that we can just engage in the magic bullet of not eating meat to "solve everything" - definitely religious thinking.
In short your arguments are stupid and weak, poorly thought out and badly argued."
Wonderment replied: "My fave... Each year 15,000,000,000 land animals are slaughtered for food.... I wanna be one less who contributes to that..."
<3 replied: "this is awesome,thanks so much for posting this. i found it very helpful considering i have just decided to become a vegetarian."
rottincherrie replied: "You go girl!
I love ALL the reasons--but the most important reason is that you shouldn't support cruelty to animals."
patriot4913 replied: "Thats the longest post I've ever seen."
Cutting Diet Critique? Kinda revised my diet after being ridiculously sick of some of the foods that were originally in it.
higher carb day:
Buckwheat Waffles
3 scoops whey
Brown rice 3 servings
Chicken 12 ounces
2 scoops surge
2 scoops whey
1 banana
2 servings rice
Pistachio 1 oz
Buffalo steak burger
1tb flax seed oil
3oz smoked salmon
2 scoops casein
1tb flaxseeds
lower carb day
Buckwheat Waffles
3 scoops whey
Brown rice 2 servings
Chicken 12 ounces
1 scoops surge
2 scoops whey
1 banana
Pistachio 1oz
Buffalo steak burger
1tb flax seed oil
3oz smoked salmon
2 scoops casein
1tb flaxseeds
feel free to say whatever you want
Actually one of my favorite authors speaks real highly of carb cycling while cutting. It isn't that out of ordinary. Much wore energy to train than with really low carbs too. I am almost done cutting. I got about 10 pounds to go. I am about 230 pounds right now, down from 245.
Joe - I eat around every 3 hours or so.
meal 1 - 1:00
meal 2 - 4:00
meal 3 - 7:00
meal 4 - 10:00
meal 5 - 1:00
bed at like 2.
I got a weird sleeping schedule, I know
Trader Joes sells Buffalo steak burgers. They taste pretty good. 12g fat 43g protein per burger
dodge replied: "sounds good. drink milk at least once a day and at least a gallon of water to flush out the toxins"
Ant Boogie replied: "how much fat do you have to lose?
what you are attempting to do, is a carb cycling diet that is usually reserved for lean muscle gaining phases. any particular reason why you are going this route?
the best diet for cutting fat is the very low carb/high protein/high fat diet.
along with cardio progressions & weight lifting.
I hate to see you waster your time."
$$Italian Stalian$$ replied: "that looks good as long as ur drinking water throughout the day but idk what a buffalo steak burger is but the mealit's with is a good protein and fat meal
u got alot of protein it's good and well spread out do u eat every 4hrs? or what tho"
Questions about Diet and Exercise Programs? I've decided I'm going to do the "Tyler Durden" diet from Fight Club.
Which is this:
"Breakfast would be: 6 eggs, 6 whites, 7 yellow and 75g of oatmeal with raisins. Occasionally Pitt would replace the eggs with a Protein Shake if his schedule was tight.
Midmorning snack: Tinned Tuna in Wholewheat Pitta Breads
Lunch: 2 x Chicken Breasts, 75-100g Brown Rice or Pasta and green veggies
Mid-afternoon snack [Pre-Workout]: protein bar or Whey Protein Shake and a Banana
Post Workout: Whey Protein Shake and a Banana
Dinner: Grilled fish or chicken, brown rice or pasta, vegetables, and salad.
Evening Snack: Casein Protein Shake Protein shake or Low Fat Cottage Cheese (Slow Release Protein)"
^Now that's the portions that Brad Pitt had to eat. I wanted to know what they would be for me.
I got all the calculations below from the P90X Nutrition Plan.
My height is 5'6 (don't know height matters, but it couldn't hurt to add it)
Weight is 138 lbs
RMR is 1380 calories
Daily activity burn is 276 calories
Energy burn is 2256 Calories
Now I know what my diet is going to be, but I was also thinking, for the exercising part should I do P90X or Arnell Ricafranca's "How to Be Ripped Like Brad Pitt From Fight Club in 12 Weeks or Less" Program (aka Tyler Durden Workout).
You can see Tyler Durden workout right here:
I know I'm asking a lot, but thanks a LOT to anyone who helps!
Oh and I forgot to add that according to the P90X Nutrition Plan, I am have a "Level 1" metabolism.
With Level 1 Metabolism, it says that your energy amount is between 1800 and 2399 and your nutrition level is 1800 calories a day.
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O B 1 replied: "You have all you need above!!! Get on it and start your workouts, you are going to get ripped man!!! For your whey protein , make sure you are using a high quality chemical free whey product minus the fillers and additives. Good luck bro!"
Is drinking casein protein before bed way to lose weight? (Why if not )? I am eating cals from 50% protein 30% low gi carbs and 20% "good" fat over six meals about 2100 Cals (I am a 265lb 22 year old male) my sixth meal is the casein shake.
M1 1 cup egg whites 1 cup spinach and 2 pieces of extra lean turkey bacon
M2 wheat wrap 6oz turkey red peppers
M3 Whey shake blend with 1 cup skim milk ВЅ cup of blueberries and ВЅ cup of strawberries. An iceberg and romaine salad w/ 1/8 almonds and 1/8 cup walnuts 2 tbs of low fat dressing
M4 wheat pita can of tuna and Вј cup of low fat cottage cheese
M5 6oz Boneless skinless chicken breast 2 cups boiled broccoli
M6 casein shake 1 cup skim milk 1 tbs cocoa powder.
Any improvement I would like to here some idea or criticisms about my diet
i have added the calories in with my total for the day. part of the reason I am doing the shakes is quick and cheap meal. Also I have a low carb fat whey and casien shake. so it is an easy way to boost my over all protein intake to 50% of my cal
3 days a week i am doing weights at 1:00 right before m3
I am doing 1 hour of cardio at 5:00 pm right before m4 and am debating on drinking another whey shake (to help recoup and to make up for the cals burned during exercise, as I have already reduced my diet by 500 cals).
for those of you who think the casien before bed is bad i was wondering WHY
biochemicaly speaking …
Muscle burns fat ->I would want to maintain my muscle-> more muscle more fat burning and higher basal rate
after 4 hours on average your body will use up dietary energy and then will prefeerntaly break mussel down before fat.
I sleep for 8 hour there for wont I be losing muscle while I sleep if you don’t agree i just want to know the reasoing of why no
Azza V replied: "To be simple no. Protein is helped to build lean muscle, so if you worked out and then took protein maybe. But you cannot achieve permanent weight loss without hard cardio work. Pure and simple."
tBAgmonster replied: "Looks to good to be true but that is a good diet the reason i answered this question was i think whey is 100 times better than casein"
badbadleroybrown replied: "Unless this is coming immediately after a workout, there wouldnt be any benefit and it would really just amount to extra calories consumed. Since you didnt point out where your workout is falling in the day, its tough to say for sure but I really dont think you're doing much benefit.. or harm for that matter."
pinelake302 replied: "Why do you want to drink glue? Yes, casein is an old form of glue that was used for gluing the wood sections and pieces of furniture together. I have used a lot of it in the past when doing and teaching wood working.
So every time you drink or eat casein remember you are just eating glue made of cattle left overs after slaughtering."
bnekked25 replied: "Your diet is sound but it is insufficient by itself if you wish to lose weight. You must supplement your dient with a balanced workout regiment to effectively and permanently lose weight - a free weight program to build muscle which will burn calories throughout the day and cardio to provide bursts of calorie expenditure. Combined with your diet, you should have little difficulty losing weight and maintaining the weight loss.
Casein protein (as opposed to whey protein found in most powders) is the appropriate protein to take before you go to bed since it is "slow-digesting" and will prevent the loss of muscle as you sleep. It is related to losing weight because you are maintaining your muscles which will help you burn through more calories."
Need a low sodium dog food for my dog who has epilepsy & diabetes...? He is on a gluten-free diet so the dog food cannot contain glycoproteins of dairy, wheat, gluten, casein, soy, corn, MSG (monosodium glutamate), or aspartame. I would like to keep using his current brand, Nutro Natural Choice Adult Lamb and Rice Dog Food but he's so thirsty afterwards-all day. I can't afford to keep giving him chicken and rice so I need a low-sodium alternative. I've called the local pet stores, they don't have anything. And I've looked online. The w/d diet is way too much $. 50.00 for a 30lb bag. So I really need help on this one. Any suggestions would be helpful!
I have asked my vet and he recommended the chicken and rice or the W/D diet. He always has access to water, but w/ constant access to water, he also has to urinate quite often. If we're not home, he pees anywhere. Oh and he just had cataract surgery 2 weeks ago.
Both the diabeties and epilepsy are well regulated w/ consistent dosages of medication.
Suz replied: "Your vet will stock a suitable diet, when feeding dried food please make sure your dog has constant access to fresh water, I soak my James Wellbeloved kibble in water before feeding it to my dog, please stick with the high quality dog food, the best you can afford, ok it costs a lot for a 30lb bag but keep a diary, see how long the bag lasts then work out the cost PER day, you'll be surprised, it will work out cheaper than other brands I am sure.
Set aside $5 per week so that when it comes time to buy the food you have it to hand."
mytwodogs60463 replied: "no matter what brand of dog food you use it will be expensive as your dog has 2 medical problems and needs that type of food."
Nothing in Life is Free! replied: "Have you considered a raw diet? With his dietary needs this seems like the best option to control what is and isn't in his food, not to mention that the water in fruits and vegetables will help keep him hydrated."
janet_james1948 replied: "ask your vet"
Sally B replied: "I have had dogs with epilepsy and some with diabetes but (thank goodness) none with both. Frankly, I used Pedigree Senior canned food for my diabetic dog. She hated the W/D and of course we had to be sure she ate so she could have her insulin so we just went to regular old Pedigree canned food. She lived for six years eating that and getting her insulin. We just lost her last year at age 12. I don't feed my epileptic dogs anything different from the rest of the pack. We feed PMI Exclusive Adult chicken and rice. But that would likely not be a good idea for the diabetic. You know, Pro Plan has a prescription diet group of foods like Science Diet. Ask your vet to look into that for you and see if it's cheaper."
bob В© replied: "with diabetes, you need a high protein low carb diet. a raw diet would be excellent for your dog. if you are not comfortable feeding a raw diet, prairie makes a fantastic food as well as a prepackaged raw diet. if your dog is still drinking excessively, then perhaps his diabetes is not regulated. please see your vet regularly to have it checked."
time326 replied: "The diet you currently have him on doesn't meet your requirements. W/d isn't going to either. Your vet recommended these because they are better than a lot of other diets out there and easy to find. I would suggest Innova EVO or a similar diet. It's grain free with only 0.44% sodium. It's a high calorie diet so you feed less of it. My two dogs (~50 lbs each) go through a bag in about a month. There's been a lot of success feeding EVO to diabetics and it's a much higher quality food. All human grade ingredients, never been recalled, made in the US with ingredients only from the US. If you feed the 95% meat canned food, it only has 0.15% sodium and with the higher water content, it would probably be your best option. There are a lot of flavors to choose from too and I haven't met a dog who would turn it down yet. You need to be on a high protein, low carb, no grain diet though. EVO was the first like this and there are several companies making similar diets now too. "Raw" would be another way to go, but it's very difficult to balance the diet on your own and you'd need to buy supplements. I would suggest working with a board certified nutritionist on balanceit.com if you want to do that, but you're going to pay more to feed your dog a "raw" diet."
Is my diet & lifestyle good or bad? My lifestyle is very active & i keep myself in good shape i think, I run a flower growing & breeding business 6-7 days a week & its very physically demanding, I also workout on every weekday, normally alternating my weight training each day from upper body to lower body & abs, on top of that I swim for 2 hours thursday evening & sunday afternoon I teach full contact weapons for 3-4 hours.
I always make sure i have 7-8 hours sleep every night. My body feels great & I am always fully charged & ready to go every morning, I have a low body fat percentage with a six pack & I am more satisfied with my body every week.
MY DIET
5:15-5:30am - 1 piece of wholegrain bread with 25% less fat peanut butter, 1/2 cup of organic oats with water (no sugar) & protien shake (250ml skim milk) 1 multi vitamin tablet.
8:45am - protien shake (350ml skim milk)
12:00pm - natural protien shake (200ml fat free soy milk) 3 eggs, serve of steamed vegetables (carrotts, cauliflower, green beans) 2 pieces of wholegrain bread (no butter) 1 fresh tomatoe & a little pickled pepper on the side.
3-3:30pm - (after workout) protien shake (300ml skim milk) 1/2 cup of oats (with water)
6-6:30pm - 3-4 pieces of grilled chicken or fish, serve of vegetables (steamed) 2 pieces of wholegrain bread, 1/2 tomatoe & a little tartare sauce.
8:00pm - 1/2 cup of natural oatbran (water) with 1 tablespoon of peanut butter added.
9:30-10:00pm - (sleep time) protien shake (my normal protien is Redbak complete protien which has calcium caseinate & miscellar casein so I keep my body anabolic as i sleep)
Usually on thursdays I have sushi for dinner & for sunday dinner i have some beef, I only drink water with all my meals & always sipping on water throughout the day, I also might have a glass of aleo vera around 9pm every night & I don't drink alcohol.
I never loose my appetite & enjoy all the food I eat, I guess the only problem I feel is that I am hungry all the time.
I am happy to hear comments & advice from anyone who is happy to give it...D
ironpump replied: "Just drink water to seem more full. I try and maintain a good diet too and it is really hard but you got to remain consistent. I know what its like and I really respect your lifestyle. Good for you keep up the good work."
Bobby replied: "sorry it sounds very boring
x"
Kriss J replied: "Dont use vitamin tablets,eat vegies and fresh fruits.Why are u eating peanut butter ? U have to know what it gives to u and how much energy..otherwise ur training is crap.But yes u know what ur doing and keep it up..just dont eat fat food :)"
